>> imagine a guy in germany. probably he pays, particular pi upper middle class or upper class, probably pays more in total taxes than his american counterpart, though it's not xwirly clear once you add value-added tax consumption. >> good point. >> but here's what he gets in return. he gets universal health care, high quality, he gets a free education from kindergarten through any master's, bachelor's, ph.d. program he wants and it's pretty high quality as well. he gets free retraining if he ever loses his job. he gets all the benefits like daycare and stuff that europe is famous for. and the president of the united states may be a couple percentage points lower but he has to save for health care and long-term care when he gets old, has to save for his children's college education, perhaps for high school education, and certainly for any amount of retraining he may need. so, you know, it's not entirely clear that europeans have such a bad deal. >> so the question here, and this is why this is relevant to your to